It's actually now been closer to a day and a half.

Folk did get a few hours of peace after the drop off at The Exchange (More than just a few mind you but folk were still doing a fair bit of running around for a little while).

My impression had been that at least part of a day had been spent at the clinic given that Spawn had required treatment as did a few other people and if I recall correctly Sha'hgrim actually slept there and Darkon spent a fair bit of time with the police so that would make it closer to coming up on day 3.

Oh my. That long? My poor girls. Though in all this time, there had not really been an opportunity to go out and talk to that troll. Or was it a dwarf? No that was the gnome. Alas, it's so late here it's early (close to 4am). I think I will go to bed now and think about this with a less scrambled brain in the morning.

I bid thee all a good night.

It's all good bud!

I'll try to do another summary of clues found to date once your present negotiations for a place to stay are over.

Just as an FYI as it's come up in discussion with several different people I put in the following HR in regards to Carbon-Boron, Kevlar Threading and Delta-Amyloid:

Carbon-Boron, Kevlar Threading and Delta-Amyloid modifications may be applied to armour well as clothing, however layered protection rules apply. This means the armour is not cumulative with other worn armour save for the effects of encumbrance. Only the highest rating applies to actual protection provided. As a house rule, this modification may be added to Secure Tech PPP, but still counts as layering in regards to the armour provided by the PPP pieces it is applied to (So if you add Carbon-Boron to a forearm guard the new armour rating for the forearm guards is now +1/+2 but encumbrance is calculated as if it was 1/3)

The main reason for this is because of 2 things:
1) The mention of layering is odd at best as it could imply two different things.
2) Allowed to stack with all types of armored clothing without any limitation, the armored clothing could easily match or exceed actual armor suits in terms of protection (This includes SWAT armor for example) and yet retain it's normal apperance. Which seems inherently wrong to me.
3) Once some more ingame time passes (Bout a year or so) I'll probably alter the HR to allow ONE of the mods to be added to any suit and stack as per it's normal value (Much like a shield. Think of it as using the Bone lacing/Bone Augmentation rules but for armor). This would in turn mimic advances in technology.
4) Taken strictly the entry for the modifications in question limits them specifically to non armored clothing and the specific piece of gear called armor clothes page 326 SR4A (Armor of 4/0). This seems odd in comparison to the actual class of Armored Clothing.

The reason I allow it to be added to secure tech is because secure tech can be stacked with any other armour or clothing and adds it's own bulk meaning the protection boosts are shared among all suits rather than leaving actual full armour suits in the dust.

Ok all, I'm back. Sorry for any posting delays my time away may have caused.

Give me a couple of hours to catch up, and I'll have a post in today!

Welcome back Gala. Enjoy your trip?

No worries Gala,

I specifically paused at this point to let you get some input in on the negotiations as your pets have been brought into the equation and I felt you needed to have a say before things went any further. Especially as the NPC in question has no idea what the hell such exotic pets even eat.

Darkon: On a note on pushing for negotiations to get 'more stuff' out of NPCs btw, at least where I'm concerned as a GM this is a hole in the NPC's knowledge you found (that wasn't even intentional on my part) that you can exploit to get a few extra concessions out of him for, such as potentially upgrading your 'necessities' quality for the stay in regards to food boosted a level or two for the same cost. Though it's not entirely exclusive of you bargaining the cost down too but he will become increasingly resilient as it starts becoming something that goes from him benefiting to simply loosing out on the deal. That said some NPCs you can 'break' and get away with it though they won't like you at all for it

EG: The remake of True Grit where the girl bargains so well with the shop keeper that the next time she tries to bargain for a horse he stops dead in the middle of his argument and says: "Wait, are we bargaining again?!" with a look of terror on his face before it cuts to the scene of her simply leaving with the horse in question.



As a note, after some rather at times heated discussion with Gala over the whole armor modification thing and some serious digging around on the forums, most of which boiled right down to the same argument over the specific citation of Armor Clothing page 326 SR4A I came across a reference to a thread here: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=34632&#entry1055269

In this situation they specifically ask the author of Attitude questions in regards to the modifications. In this instance it's clear that the RAW while still somewhat debatable was poorly written regardless as according to the author:
Delta-Amyloid, Carbon-Boron and Kevlar Threading are mutually exclusive.
They can be added to 'designer armor clothing' (IE Globetrotter etc). This would exclude suits like Armor Jacket etc.
It's more or less implied that they can not be added to individual pieces of armor that make up a whole set to stack the bonuses. IE Pants/Jacket/Shirt that equals a suit you can apply the modification but it only adds the flat bonus to the total set, rather than adding to each individual piece, which is then combined for the total.

IE: If you have a jacket that adds 4/1, a shirt that adds 2/1 and pants that add 2/2 you get a set that works out to 8/4. Applying Delta-Amyloid (+3/1) would raise it to 11/5 not 17/7

I did enjoy my trip, thank you Jagger! It's left me with a (not unanticipated) pile of work to catch up on! But the trip was exactly the mind-break I needed.


Ok, I'm caught up; I will attempt to put together a post of some sort this afternoon.

Darkon has two contacts that could provide sins. The hacker Nekosune and the AI Ubuntu McWindows. The latter also takes care of the unwanted datatrails. (Darkons Erased /24hours quality.) Thank you for the reminder though. Now let's se what Frank has to say.

You could apply it to just one 'part' of the set but then only that part would benefit from the improvement. For the whole suit to benefit all components have to have the modification.

Clothing sets have their capacity based on the whole 'set' rather than individual pieces so in the case of clothing its a modification thats applied to every part regardless. Thats at least the way it's going to be until I can figure out what exactly they mean by the modification being treated as 'a rating' instead of 'an option' or how ever it was worded again. I mean technically you can add a say R3 energy resistance to the helmet and some how it magically applies to the whole body. They may mean it in that regard that it's supposed to work that way but technically such things should only apply to the actual hit location. That said it's more reasonable to combine the capacity of the whole suit + helmet and then apply the mods to it as a set, in which case you get 'even protection' which makes a lot more sense.

Has anyone else had problems registering on Invisible Castle? I've tried with two email addresses and both times I never got a email back to activate the account.

Also I'm working on a post.

It works fine with me.

Kesslan, would Darkons comlink be anonymous enough to call Frank Miller? Or would it make more sense to ask Chen if he can arrange a call? I just don't know from a technical side of things. Comlinks are still a bit new to me. Although I guess Darkon as an experienced runner should know.